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Eredien ([personal profile] eredien) wrote2010-08-13 10:40 am

I Didn't Want Marriage

I figured out this morning, while showering, that what I didn't want to be married. What I wanted was to live together with Rachel for the rest of my life, doing what we wanted, caring for each other, but not feeling responsible for the things she did in her life, and having her not feel responsible for the things I did in mine. I think that the fact that marriage is commonly understood to be the way that people who care about each other live together for a lifetime blinded me to the fact that I didn't actually want the structure of marriage as it was commonly understood, where you also are supposed to take on some large responsibility for the life the other person leads.

I think, in retrospect, that this was utterly obvious. Since I was 14 or so, I've been telling myself metaphorically, and not in a subtle way either, that I didn't want marriage. But I thought that marriage was the only possible way to live with and love the person(s) I cared about, and since I wanted to live with and love the person(s) I cared about, I picked marriage (and the attendant social baggage and responsibilities that came along with it). I confused the socially sanctioned way of living with and loving others for the only possible way of living with and loving others by conflating the two (and I'd been conflating them since I was 14, too, with the same metaphor I used to tell myself that I didn't want marriage).

Wow, no wonder I felt so lonely. I didn't want the socially sanctioned way of having partner(s) for life, but I thought that was the only way to have a partner. I don't necessarily want the socially sanctioned way of having any relationships, but I thought that was the only way to have any relationships.

I am utterly sure I also had this problem with other relationships, too: my friendships, and my family. Why do I have this problem? I think I had it instilled in me by my family that the only permissible relationship to have with them was the socially sanctioned "loving child/parent" relationship, so no wonder I was struggling under a crushing guilt-burden of social sanctions and appearances when the relationship we actually had was not loving at all. Furthermore, once I was finally able to acknowledge that the relationship was actually abusive rather than loving, I still struggled under the guilt-burden of social sanction, unsure what to do with the social-sanction concept now that it was not tethered to the relationship anymore, but social sanction still remained the most important factor in how I understood relationships.

No wonder I worried so much about what everyone else thought of me and my actions--my relationships with myself--if was monitoring that feeling of social sanction, rather than the love present in any actual relationship, all the time. I felt a lot of pressure to take only socially sanctioned actions, be a socially sanctioned person. And I'm just not, most of the time. :D

That was why I was happiest when I was alone--there was no "social" for me to feel was sanctioning me or that I had to monitor for appropriateness. But after I realized I also needed and deserved humane, loving relationships, to get them I kept putting myself into social situations, and during any interaction with any other person I would put all this social sanction pressure on myself, and manufacture it where it didn't exist. Because without social sanction, I couldn't see a relationship as a relationship, since social sanction was what I understood relationships to be.

[Addendum: I think that I started being able to see that relationships were different from social sanctions of relationships when I came out, but since I still had very little idea that what I ought to desire from a relationship was the relationship rather than the relationship+social sanction, wherever any of my relationships were not socially sanctioned I kept trying to make them be, which came at the expense of the relationships and therefore also at my own expense.]

This is really important. I feel really freed and happy.
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[personal profile] weirdquark 2010-08-13 02:49 pm (UTC)(link)
This is really important. I feel really freed and happy.

Yes it is. Go you.

[identity profile] doma.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 03:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The last sentence of your post makes me really happy.

I mean, the whole post is a great thing, because it's good to know yourself, but I am happy that you feel happy. :)
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[personal profile] zdenka 2010-08-13 04:08 pm (UTC)(link)
It is good to figure these things out. It sounds like you're doing a lot of difficult and important work.

[identity profile] gaudior.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 04:16 pm (UTC)(link)
That's really interesting! Also, much delight at the last two sentences.

What is "marriage," then? What's the difference?
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[personal profile] sovay 2010-08-13 04:20 pm (UTC)(link)
This is really important. I feel really freed and happy.

I am very glad to read this.

What I wanted was to live together with Rachel for the rest of my life, doing what we wanted, caring for each other, but not feeling responsible for the things she did in her life, and having her not feel responsible for the things I did in mine.

Would you marry someone if this was the definition of your marriage, or is the concept itself problematic?

[identity profile] gaudior.livejournal.com 2010-08-14 02:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I do not see how it would be possible for a couple undergoing a marriage ceremony to limit the definition of marriage to just the understanding of the two people at hand, since the whole point of such a ceremony is to bring additional societal and legal expectations into the relationship, regardless of if the couple needed, intended, or even wanted to have them.

This strikes me as true. I mean, there are limits--if you're an Orthodox Jew, most of the people at your wedding are probably Orthodox Jews, and their expectations will be different than, say, those of people who come to a hippie neo-pagan agnostic kind of wedding-thing-- but in general, I agree. And that was striking, when Lila and I got married-- how much we were bringing the community into our relationship, and how different that felt.
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[identity profile] goddess32585.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 04:46 pm (UTC)(link)
Out of curiosity, how many people do you know who are doing that 'living in commitment without marriage'?

I've found it helpful to know of and be in social contact with other couples who have chosen to stay unmarried, as validation, I guess, in the face of social pressure. If you want to explore the concept-space more [sometime later, not now], I have a fair amount of articulated thoughts on why I don't want to be married, and how I have shaped my life and my relationship(s) to handle that.
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[identity profile] taliabear.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 05:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Me and my Best Beloved have been together for two years and some change, are living together, and have no plans for getting married. (True, is a poly relationship as well, but still! >.>)

Would Kin/Rik/Peggy count as another of those committed-but-not-married folks? Although they're not exactly a 'couple'.

[identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 07:29 pm (UTC)(link)
It depends on what one means by 'married', too, I think-- like, Ruth and I can't legally marry B., but if we wanted to do so extra-legally we would still consider it a valid marriage. We don't want to. I do know a triad who are married, to the point that I don't know whether or where there's a legal marriage in it. And I know a couple who are legally married, but haven't carried out their church's ceremony so consider themselves unmarried-but-committed. So I don't know many unmarried-long-term-committed folks either, but the question of whether people are legally able to get married is tangential to the question of whether they want to.

[identity profile] jadia.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 08:40 pm (UTC)(link)
FYI, I am in a long-term couple-relationship and do not have any plans to be married, and am in fact somewhat against the idea. I really do not know if I will ever get married, though it's possible.

There's a book called "Unmarried to Each Other" which may be a good resource to look at. I found it very useful in the "hey, there are other people like me" sort of way.

[identity profile] darthbitsy.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I second this recommendation.

[identity profile] darthbitsy.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Knowing that wedding happened made me think about my against marriage thoughts a bit. But, still in a 10 year relationship, where I'm pretty sure I don't want to get married.

[identity profile] baaaaaaaaaah.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)
*hug*

[identity profile] rushthatspeaks.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 07:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Go you!

I think this is a good thing to know about yourself, and I am very glad of your feeling free and happy.

[identity profile] daisho.livejournal.com 2010-08-13 10:10 pm (UTC)(link)
This sounds like an epiphany. It's a shame the road to it has at times been so hurtful, but if it enriches the rest of your life, it's a good thing. I'm really pleased for you.
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[personal profile] navrins 2010-08-14 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
This sounds awesome.

I have had experiences just similar enough to what you describe that, even though my experiences are clearly not the same as yours, I feel like I can understand at least some of what you're talking about here.